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POLL: How much time do you spend per week driving for Uber?

Discussion in 'Uber Drivers Forum' started by Dreamer, Sep 16, 2015.

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How much time do you spend per week driving for Uber?

  1. Less than 1 hour per week

    4 vote(s)
    6.0%
  2. 1-5 hours per week

    6 vote(s)
    9.0%
  3. 5-10 hours per week

    6 vote(s)
    9.0%
  4. 10-15 hours per week

    6 vote(s)
    9.0%
  5. 15-20 hours per week

    13 vote(s)
    19.4%
  6. 20-25 hours per week

    8 vote(s)
    11.9%
  7. 25-30 hours per week

    9 vote(s)
    13.4%
  8. 30-40 hours per week

    6 vote(s)
    9.0%
  9. 40-50 hours per week

    6 vote(s)
    9.0%
  10. Over 50 hours per week

    3 vote(s)
    4.5%
  1. ClevelandUberRider

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    I think those hapless weekend TNC drivers who think they are smart and making tons of money are actually doing seasoned, really smart TNC drivers a big favor--they are driving those pukers rather than the really smart, seasoned drivers.
     
  2. ClevelandUberRider

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    Much like the seasoned cab drivers in many cities, who are "off-loading" all those unprofitable, too-much-hassle short distance trips to TNC drivers.
     
  3. Lidman

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    There are a few precautions to take: Always have some plastic bags or something to give a pax i you think they're going to puke. Another warning sign is when a pax requests to open the window or hiccuping etc. What I've usually done is pull off to the side of the road and let them out for a moment and do their thing.

    Another things most pax *(usually drunk) understand is the hefy fine of $150 or more we can charge if throw up or extract any other bodily fluids in the car. I have mine posted on the glove compartment and another hanging from the back of the seat where it clearly can be seen.
     
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  4. ClevelandUberRider

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    This has rarely been talked about in TNC drivers' forum: How about "unclean" passengers, whose pants are very dirty from their po*p? That's why I don't sit on cloth chairs in public places.
     
  5. ClevelandUberRider

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    We live in the 21st century and nobody has invented a smell/odor machine like the breathalyzer. Let the machine "smells" the passengers (or members of the public) and if the odor passes some threshold level, no ride is allowed no passenger is still charged (for public's case, the offenders must immediately head for a shower or other means of a "clean-up".
     
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  6. Harry Flashman

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    a good trick is to make the pax walk a short distance to the car so you can assess what sort of state they are in, keep the door locked until you decide
     
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    I usually spend only about an hour or two per week on ridesharing, right when I get off work on Fridays
     
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  8. ClevelandUberRider

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    That is very smart move. I think your driving strategy is one of the most long term sustainable, and what TNCs need the most, if they still want to keep UberX and Lyft (cheapest ride options) running.
     
  9. ClevelandUberRider

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    Yes, see them walk more than a few steps. Like parking one's car fifteen, twenty feet away from where they are standing and waiting. Or roll down the front passenger window (right hand side front window for American Uber drivers, left hand side front window for British and Australian Uber drivers) and talk to them to feel them out, much like the police do after stopping drivers on the road suspected of drunk driving.
     
  10. ClevelandUberRider

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    The TNCs' business model is really genius. It reduces the need for more personal (and corporate fleet) cars lying around most of the day in garages doing nothing. It is a waste of resources when a resource is not being used 90% or more of the time during a day. That is the genius of Uber and Lyft. By having drivers out there driving their personal cars for one to perhaps forty to fifty trips per day (in certain cities like San Fran and Boston it is not difficult to do that in 12 - 14 hours, which some drivers do), Uber and Lyft are significantly reducing the need for personal and corporate vehicles as we speak. The social trends of millennials and retirees expressing and demonstrating their lesser desire to drive (than their previous generations) may help (or, be helped by) the TNCs' ongoing market expansion.
     
  11. ClevelandUberRider

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    UberPool and Lyft Line are perhaps the second biggest genius moves coming out after the initial genius of the whole vehicle-sharing idea.

    No matter how much the drivers who accept these truly shared rides are getting at the moment, clear your minds and think about this for a moment:

    Three passengers from around the same hood at around the same time wanting to go in the same general direction to another hood that is, on average, 5 miles away. From the standpoint of efficient resource use, it would be a tremendous loss to society if these three passengers had to use three separate cars. Because you would be using three car rides to transport those three passengers in the same general directions.

    Picking the other two passengers up after initially picking up the first passenger may take an extra 2 miles, let's say. And, dropping off the other two extra passengers may take an additional two miles. Total miles driven for society = 9 miles. While it would have taken 15 miles to move the three riders with three separate trips. (We are ignoring all the deadhead miles because they exist under both scenarios.)

    Do you see the genius in society's savings in this? Cutting the combined need of trips from 15 miles to 9 miles?

    The next question, a rather important one, is how to share the 6 miles the society overall has saved. There are three major players here: TNCs, riders, and drivers. All three are currently sharing in the savings from the efficiency gains with their current fare and drivers' earnings structures. Some drivers are complaining because they feel that, even though their earnings from the UberPool / Lyft Line trip as illustrated above are slightly higher than if they would have done ONE of the three separate non-Pool/Line trip, they feel that they should get more from the efficiency gains. But I think eventually either the TNCs share more of the efficiency bounties with the drivers, or the drivers will get used to the idea and financial gains of having their cars running on trips earning money rather than having more downtime during an hour not getting paid.

    Some drivers, however, argue along this line: Yeah, you Ivy League genius with your efficiency gains crap, whatever! But we would like to drive those three trips separately making three times the money! By forcing UberPool and Lyft Line down our throat, you are cutting our pay by two thirds!

    To these drivers, two pieces of advice are in order:

    1. Go back to kindergarten and start your formal education from day one. Because somewhere along your K-12 formal education, our society has failed you. No, it's not your fault. In fact, you are a genius, as smart as any Ivy League graduate currently working for Uber and Lyft right now. It 's just the fault of a disease. That disease is called "we failed you." Now go back to kindergarten!

    2. Go apply for any auto plant job with union protection. Demand that you be hired, and if you are lucky to get hired, just say you don't want their $25 an hour salary either, that you demand the $65 an hour pay rate with OT rates thrown in of their golden years. (Good luck with these two demands.)
     
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  12. ClevelandUberRider

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    I used to post that some drivers could make some money driving TNCs. But now I am sold on the experienced drivers' ideas that it is not funny to say there was money to be made when drivers are suffering financially and that I should stop putting forth any idea that TNC driving can make money for the drivers.

    There are dissenting views though from certain drivers who share in North Korea that good money (by TNC drivers' standards) can still be made, one on a consistent, every week basis, one this past Saturday evening's surge in a city with normal, regular fare rate of less than 80 cents a mile. Since Ibhave driven only a few days I will leave it to more experienced drivers to comment on those if they want to.

    This one was from a weekly consistent earnings (from a city still with more than $1.00 a mile): (Boston, by a seasoned Boston Lyft driver)

    Any driver "weeding" out passengers because they THINK they aren't getting a tip is an idiot who doesn't know how the rider side works. Keep grinding out your $10/hour 4.6 rating life. I'll keep my system going which gets me $100-$150/week in tips and $1200-$1500 gross fares as well as the PDB.

    The following are from Cleveland, first by a seasoned driver for Uber about this past Saturday (who made more than $300 in 5-6 hours) followed by another driver's comment, then followed by the reply from the seasoned driver again:

    A:5 to 6hrs of work.... one of the best and quickiest money I ever made.....too easy.

    B:Where did you go to on that $84 $106 & $112 rides?

    A: All selects accept the $27 fare. Big surge X fare to lakewood. All it is is being in the right place at the right time getting lucky with going far distances.

    There was another seasoned driver, also from Ckeveland who shared that he talked to several a few drivers drivers after this past Saturday evening's driving and none of them made less than $250, with some making double of that (couldn't find his exact quotes as apparently he has deleted his posts).

    So in totality at least some drivers are saying they can (A) make at least $1,300 in Boston driving Lyft Plus with full PDB, and (B) with Uber surge, drivers of UberSelect can make $300 to $500 for a few hours of driving.

    The above are not coming from me, as the South Korea government has effectively convinced me that no money can be made driving for the TNCs and that I shoukd not write about the ability to make the above-like money TNC driving anymore. The above were direct quotes and retelling (since a driver's posts have been deleted in the last 36 hours) of more seasoned drivers' experience.
     
  13. ClevelandUberRider

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    This Boston Barry guy is really something. He is one of the very few in both South Korea and North Korea who don't have an agenda and have an open mind to share and to learn. No arrogant ego either. I find such good qualities very rare among people above a certain age, which makes him stand out even more.

    I just wish that Boston Barry will devote an hour a week to start and run a third TNC drivers' forum. The two existing ones are like twins, one big and one super small, but are exactly the same, with small number of people being open minded and a lot of complainers, especially those who run the forums. As in every organization, the top sets the tone. The forums' tone becomes the tone of those who run them. While it may be good for their egos and emotional support (thus saving huge psychiatric bills), but it is not good for business--the rational, open-minded, always eager to learn and improve types of people are some of the most productive people in our society, while the complaining types scare away people around them thus pushing them mostly to less lucrative endeavors, the direct result being, advertisers love the former and try to avoid the latter--think of the complaining and non-tipping passengers' effect on the earnings of TNC drivers, and the same goes for the complaining drivers' effect on the advertisers' earnings. Lots of problems and issues but not much profits. If Boston Barry runs a third forum with open minds and learning the over riding philosophy (rather than the existing two forums' of attacking Uber), he can charge sponsors and advertisers easily 5 to 10 times higher rates and advertisers and sponsors will still choose his over the other two forums. And any readers who want to learn about on-demand driving will flock to his forum, while the complaining types will remain in the two Koreas. To each his own. There are different types of advertisers for different types of consumers. For example, car leasing, pawn shops, porn* shops, massage parlors, check cashing, payday loans, etc. will never want to advertise in Boston Barry's forum because his readers are economically-productive types, but they would pay premiums to advertise in the two Koreas due to the 100% right-on target audience (after the open minded readers have flocked to the third forum). It will take only one to three hours per week to run the third forum, and Barry can do it during the couple of minutes between trips.

    Barry, if you start and run your own forum, I will kick in a $200 donation to your site or your PayPal account (no strings attached). I am sure many other drivers share the same enthusiasm. A good forum to learn is a forum where readers can get to useful information or insights to improve their life, and judging from your posts so far, you are one of a very few who is capable of doing that.
     
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    There's much more then two forums lol good lawd... If you can find a way to make decent money in detroit using uberx at 30cents/mile, the more power to you. But hey if you think uber is wonderful, that's great. You entitled to your own opinion. But don't forget I'm entitled to mine, and sorry to say I don't share the same enthusiasm as you do.

    Now why don't you back off with these sarcastic posts.
     
  15. ClevelandUberRider

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    Of my first 500 posts, about half were attacking Uber for their super low rates and saying Uber Drivers cannot make money with those rates, and I urged drivers to think of their bottom line and not drive with the base rates without high enough surges but do so when there are surges, essentially forcing more surges (Cleveland's sustained high surges this past Saturday night, bringing drivers $250 to $500 for a few hours of driving Uber is one example this can happen due to supply and demand between drivers and riders). I used the phrase, DriveSelect, MakeMoney. DriberUberX, LoseMoney.

    The other half were talking about Uber's business model, economics, etc., and even this second half I mentioned Mr. Travis was just a business man whose main goal was to maximize Uber's discounted cash flows. So, I don't know how in totality one would take it that I am very pro Travis or pro Uber.

    I defer to senior, esteemed members. Since you have requested me to stop those sarcastic posts, I will stop as you have asked me to.
     
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    I agree! I went for it my first weekend out and made $450 in my first week... It did bite me in the ass though... Got deactivated monday morning. I depend on this work to provide for my family. Very sad a drunk or ass holes raiting can affect a driver so much! Almost 200 rides now and my rateing is up to 4.68... Got my gum and water. Open doors for as many as possible, and dressed like a Uber Black driver... Give 5 star service recieve 5 Stars...
     

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    who deleted the posts that you refer too?

    Its all well ang good to say what money was earned per hour without disclosing costs or mileage.

    Does not the IRS quote a figure of something like 56 or 57 cents a mile to run a vehicle? if this is the case at 90 cents a productive mile you can profit 34 cents a productive mile, but of course we have to include dead miles.
     
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    and in turn many seasoned tnc drivers refuse to do minimum fares and dead miles, just like cab drivers
     
  19. Milady de Winter

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    "Ivy league genius"??"ivy league genius"???- oh please, dont make me laugh.
     
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    You're still wet behind the ears......
     
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